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« Reply #210 on: August 28, 2008, 10:48:52 AM »

nireaper- absolutely right on all counts.

I am a firm believer in "Hit and Run". I would rather watch my palettes make me $100 in 10-15 minutes and then go onto another casino and do the same thing. Another thing no one is addressing is thousands of spins at one casino per day is definitely not good practice. Remember these casinos monitor your activity meaning to me "low profile =  minimal risk"!
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« Reply #211 on: September 03, 2008, 09:28:38 AM »


Palette submitted  Grin

Hi Nireaper,
any results yet ?
Thanks.
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« Reply #212 on: September 03, 2008, 09:56:54 AM »

At least now I know that every player play by moving on RNG circle even if he will restart the RNG or simply to say will restart his european roulette window.

All this is true only in the case he don't log out from the casino.

This case I will check soon.
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« Reply #213 on: September 07, 2008, 04:45:37 AM »


Palette submitted  Grin

Hi Nireaper,
any results yet ?
Thanks.

I`ll ask again as your`e not responding.
Have you completed any tests that you are doing with the few submitted palettes?
Thanks.
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« Reply #214 on: September 13, 2008, 08:22:40 AM »

whats 32 vegas limts tom?

I have one time step 18th
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« Reply #215 on: September 14, 2008, 10:38:01 AM »

whats 32 vegas limts tom?

I have one time step 18th

I think he may be disappointed by the number of entrants into the comp.
I entered. But mine was desingned for $410
And his rules say only $104
But the old MMM used $255
I aint about to change mine.
I entered it.
That is more than most people did.
You have to participate to see any action.
Take a look at those that are in the MARX group.
I happen to be in there as well.
I paid to get in.
How many other members are sitting on the side lines.
It is great that there are members posting palettes.
But I did mention that it getting ridiculous.
The amount of palettes that are on the screen.
I asked for a folder for each user.
And am still waiting for this to happen.
hmmm.
But that is not so important anymore.
New MARX software.
Is going to be awesome.
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« Reply #216 on: November 12, 2008, 12:34:56 AM »

Hi All
Have read this forum for quite some while now and finally i wanna spit in with some info.
I am a keen Autohotkey programmer and i have created several of my own "casino robots" during the last year.

I saw this thread and thought that i would like to put the RNG at Playtech casinos to the test.

I started thinking 23 reds and black...no way that is ever gonna happend.

My robot is able to create a massive approx. 46000 spins in 7 hours on an average computer and allready after the first night i has proven the 32BIT theory to be wrong.

Sad yes... but true, i just want to make sure that nobody are gonna loose money trying the RNG LIMIT 23 Strategy

I have uploaded the Microsoft Excel sheet where i have copied the robot to and sorted the data so you guys can look for your self.
Scrool to the bottom of the document for the final result. The document is offcourse virus free Smiley

I would like to get some comments if anybody wants to, and thx for this great forum BTW.

LINK TO THE DOCUMENT Here was advertising link to Poker Site-removed by MMM Admin. We allow only links to open source roulette sites and never to black box software sites. If you are ready to share your source code with us just let me know so all your links will be active always on our community.
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« Reply #217 on: November 12, 2008, 02:00:51 AM »

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Hi All
Have read this forum for quite some while now and finally i wanna spit in with some info.
I am a keen Autohotkey programmer and i have created several of my own "casino robots" during the last year.

I saw this thread and thought that i would like to put the RNG at Playtech casinos to the test.

I started thinking 23 reds and black...no way that is ever gonna happend.

My robot is able to create a massive approx. 46000 spins in 7 hours on an average computer and allready after the first night i has proven the 32BIT theory to be wrong.

Sad yes... but true, i just want to make sure that nobody are gonna loose money trying the RNG LIMIT 23 Strategy

I have uploaded the Microsoft Excel sheet where i have copied the robot to and sorted the data so you guys can look for your self.
Scrool to the bottom of the document for the final result. The document is offcourse virus free

I would like to get some comments if anybody wants to, and thx for this great forum BTW.

Engel in the world exist more then 1000 000 programmers and you are not the single who can make any type of tricks.

Better let me know the RNG formula you use.
Hope you are enough smart to create RNG formula that will generate the same sequence you received.

Also listen me people collected numbers for severals months in order to receive some consecutive numbers and only you was so smart in only 7 hours to approve or disapprove something.

Also if you will try to advertise yourself your account will be banned also try to post something usefull or something what we don't know.

To generate 47 000 numbers can every boy who finished the school.

Maybe your think here are people who don't have any ideas on this topic.
I will tell you simply.
Want to prove something then please present to us whole plan.
This will mean step by step how you did.
Nobody ever will believe to your words.

Why?

Also you possible don't know how we work because your are still guest.
Anyway if you want to prove something or even your theory then please follow the next steps.
1.Put the software you used in your test.
2.Post the rules to follow to receive the same results you received.

Only after several of our members will receive the same results your received but on their computer you theory will be approved.

Until that time all you said is only a theory based on nothing.

In future for you to know that we are open community and we don't like people who come after bad night and who received strange results in only 7 hours.

Nobody ever told that Playtech had only 23 black or red consecutive colors.

The idea is during the numbers analyze process and this process was based on more then 30 000 000 numbers and not like in your case on only 47 000 numbers.

Also that topics was related more on numbers distributions methods or rng distribution method and not as 100% winning method.
Also from my side was a software a my members saw this all on their computers and this was a prove because my customers saw this with their eyes.

In my case I acted correct because I provide my members with software and steps to analyze and to take latter a decision.

In your case all we know is that you a programmer who don't sleep last night and in 7 hours was able to find something that is not easy to find.
Hope you are enought smart and feel post for us a formula of RNG that have 32 consecutive black and red.

Every student know how to do this but once you are programmers I hope you will find the answer quickly.
A simple student can do this in one day while a programmers should do this in one hour.

The main enquire is to post a formula that will generate 32 consecutive black and red.
So please do this and prove to us that you are enought smart and you words are not results of some mistakes.

How I act in such case?
I post all facts and this include software + steps so every of our members will receive the same situation I received on my computers and the same do all our members.

Please do this and provide our members with all you consider they need so they will receive the same situation on their computers and after this we all will aprove your theory.

If you will not do this we all will consider your post like a simple imagination.

By the way my team checked your site so you sale poker software so you are usual saller and you come here only to advertise your software and this is all.
Advertise of other software is prohibited here. Exception is only the case when you are ready to get to our members the source code.

Are you ready to give to the our members the source code of your calculator for poker even if we are not poker community?

If not then you sale black box software but we approve on our forum only open source software.

Believe me my customers should know how work your poker calculator and this mean your should get to all your source code in case you want to call yourself open source provider otherwise you are black box saller but nobody like here such providers.

Anyway our work are not reated to poker!!!

So again please post here software + source code so we will be able to receive the same situation on our computers(more then 10 our members will test on different computers) and only after this any theory can be aproved or disaproved.
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« Reply #218 on: November 12, 2008, 02:40:47 AM »

Hi Admin and all.

First off all there is no reason to get hostile ! Cry
I am a keen fan of your site, ideas and forum and simply dont understand you are getting anoyd in any way about my last post.

First of all i havent written anything saying that mmmx isnt a good software and that the idea behind it creating palettes to deal and break the casino RNG isnt a good idea.

Yes i am a poker software reseller but i am not in anyways interested in making ANY advertisement via this forum, i am making my money elsewhere! I simply used the homepage for posting the Excel file on this homepage because had the FTP connection up and running anyway.

I can post the file via a private homepage instead since i am, once again NOT interested in advertising my other software - so leave it there buddy

Back to the subject..... this post was originaly about collecting data about the outcome that no one never had seen more than "23 consecutive reds or blacks"

Pablo wrote:
"Im sure that i recall admin saying that after all the numbers we collected etc he established that the rng is infact based on a 32bit code and in all the numbers we collected he did not see more than 23 consecutive reds or blacks maybe this is where we can exploit...


The only thing that i am saying is that i have seen this and collected data that it IS possible for a Playtech Casino RNG to make more than 23 consecutive red or blacks. (i have hit 26 and 27)

This is my only statement.... once again i am not saying that MMMX, palettes or the people in this community are wrong.

BTW i am having problems explaining my thoughts and what i stand for because i am from Denmark and my main language isnt English, but i will thry my best.

Regards - Engel
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« Reply #219 on: November 12, 2008, 03:15:58 AM »

Possible you didn't understand me.

So how we trust people on oour site.

First of all the members should be an old members.
Once he is an old members he possible post many other posts and the credibility always will grow.

Another way is to post how you do also to provide all our members with the software you used also with the steps they should follow to get the same situation you had.

I don't talk about me but about our members who did this investigation.
More then 50 active members who investigate this for more then 60 active days wasn't able to find what you find in 7 hours only via 47000 numbers.

Sure nobody will trust to your words but I already explained to you how you should act inside our network so people will start to trust you.
Without this your words never will costs anything.

So just put for us software and methods so the people will do the same you did and will get the same results you did.
If you was able to get this only in 7 hours then I am more then sure that at least one from 50 most active members will be able to get this in one day and even in one week if your theory is correct.

In case nobody will get this then or your case is a paradox or your posted that just to post.

Related to MMMX then now it is called Red and Black Roulette Systems Studio also we have Roulette Scripter Studio and many other software based on open source software will be available soon.

The goal of our network is to post only verified info and to share it to our members.
Trick like we have a super calc system and we don't want to share and this is a big secret is not for us.
If you have something you can share with us then do this.
But remember all you will say should be completed with the prove that will be or source code or software and the steps so any of our members will be able to simulate the same situation.

Only in such way you can prove or disaprove something.
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« Reply #220 on: November 12, 2008, 04:28:34 AM »

... i get it.

I will personally run a test once more. And i am more than willing to post my Autohotkey Script (.ahk) here so everybody can try it. There is no magic in that (i think - lets see)

Ill get back with the data i a couple of days....
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« Reply #221 on: November 12, 2008, 06:39:26 AM »

Yes please run again and let us now your results.

In case of the same results please provide your script to our members so they will test on their computers in order to aprove or disaprove your theory.

In our network we can take an investigation as fact only in case the same results can be received by several members from our network.
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« Reply #222 on: November 12, 2008, 05:35:44 PM »

I have a theory related to this but it´s only a theory. If you click the spinbutton real fast or if you have software that do this action really fast the possibillity is that you will recive an number that have some but all "RNGparameters" updated, so maybe you will get 26 reds instead of 23 if you did the spins faster the first time.

If this is the case we should find a way to use this bug in form of an RSS script(or even better an implement into "MMMX"), some kind of accelerated spinclicks, maybe bet on the last landed color accelarating in progression.

btw. if this work, lock this whole topic for everyone that not a member of this forum. Grin
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« Reply #223 on: November 13, 2008, 12:28:28 AM »

Hi Alfolof and other.

I can put this to a test. I am not using RSS script but i can make an extremely quick spin clicker and meassure if red or black is grouping in any way because of the fast spinning.

The only problem i can see here is that if the colors in fact are grouping together because the RBG doesnt have "time" to mix the colors then you doent have the time to place the bet to use it to our advantage.

And offcourse a fast computer will help and you have to set the casinotable to the fastest possible fast play/gameplay.

I can make an simple Autohotkey script and compile it as a .exe file so everybody kan test this. If anyone are interested i will make it for the Giant Vegas casino and the script will open an notepad automaticly to collect the spins/groupings of colour.

I will make also make a script that pauses maybe 0.5 seconds between each spin så compare the way of spinning the wheel

Anyone want to test this ? - i will make it primarily for Windows XP
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« Reply #224 on: November 13, 2008, 12:59:15 AM »

Sure, just post the software:)
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